GROSS & ZIMMER - Kröppen, Trulben

[jonas]

Hello,

I am researching the following family:

Bernhard Gross oo Elisabeth Zimmer 22 Jan 1742 In Trulben

Elisabeth Zimmer + 17 Apr 1726 Kröppen tv. Johann & Gertrud Gard
Bernahrd Gross + ?? Sv. Andreas & Barbara Keller

This information was taken from OSB Batschsentiwan. I am hoping to find Bernhard's place of birth, etc. and further information about the parents of both he and his spouse Elisabeth Zimmer. There is some indication that Bernhard came from Langelsheim, Kr. Saargemünd, Lothringen in June 1765. I do not know if this was his place of birth or where he was living at the time he emigrated.

I would greatly appreciate any help or advice in my search.

Thank you kindly,

[le_tisserand]

hi,

this is the entry from the "register der katholischen kirchenbücher in trulben"

Groß Bernhard aus Hilst, Viehhirte in Imsbach, S.v. Groß Andreas und Keller Barbara
oo 22.1.1742
Zimmer Maria Elisabeth, T.v. Zimmer Johannes und Gauhauscher (?) (Gardhauser) Gertrud
Kdr: Johann Peter *14.12.1742 Hilst ~16.12.
Katharina *2.11.1744 Hilst ~3.11.
Kath. Elisabeth *8.1.1747 Hilst ~9.1.

I didn't find an entry for the father Andreas Groß.

kind regards

[le_tisserand]

and here the entry for Zimmer:

ZIMMER(ER) Johannes oo GARDEFRATER Gertrud
Kdr: Anna Katharina *8.4.1725 in Kröppen ~?.4
Maria Elisabeth *17.4.1726 in Kröppen ~17.4.

unfortunately, there are no more informations in the trulben book.

[le_tisserand]

In the Walschbronn book (Register zu den katholischen kirchenbüchern von walschbronn) i found this:

GROS (Gross) Bernhard, Liederschiedt, Dorst
oo ZIMMER Elisabeth
Kdr: Gertrude * 18.7.1752
Andreas * 3.5.1755

[Ulrich]

Hello Jonas,
there is in Kaiserslautern Rheinland-Pfalz the instiut of palatine history. It have a Emigrationfile of more than 30.000 cards from emigrants at 17th and 18th century.
i have here a link for you it is in german: Institut für Pfälzische Geschichte

greetings

Uli ;;;

[jonas]

Original von le_tisserand
hi,

this is the entry from the "register der katholischen kirchenbücher in trulben"

Groß Bernhard aus Hilst, Viehhirte in Imsbach, S.v. Groß Andreas und Keller Barbara
oo 22.1.1742
Zimmer Maria Elisabeth, T.v. Zimmer Johannes und Gauhauscher (?) (Gardhauser) Gertrud
Kdr: Johann Peter *14.12.1742 Hilst ~16.12.
Katharina *2.11.1744 Hilst ~3.11.
Kath. Elisabeth *8.1.1747 Hilst ~9.1.

I didn't find an entry for the father Andreas Groß.

kind regards

Hello,

Thank you very much for this information. I am so pleased. I did not have anything on these children before. Nor was I aware of the many variations of the Gard/Gardhauser/frater surname. I also appreciate the extra effort you took in checking the Walschbronn book. The Andreas you found there is my direct ancestor. He was married to an Elizabeth Klingler, and they had 13 children, some of whom may also have been born in Kröppen. This family seems to have moved around quite a bit. And you have provided yet another place to look for Bernhard's ancestors, and possibly the Zimmers - Imsbach. This is really very helpful!

Thank you again.


Best Wishes,

[jonas]

Original von Ulrich
Hello Jonas,
there is in Kaiserslautern Rheinland-Pfalz the instiut of palatine history. It have a Emigrationfile of more than 30.000 cards from emigrants at 17th and 18th century.
i have here a link for you it is in german: Institut für Pfälzische Geschichte

greetings

Uli ;;;

Hello Uli,

Thank you for the link. I will have a look. Perhaps they provide a postal research service which would be most helpful.

Best wishes,

[le_tisserand]

Original von jonas
The Andreas you found there is my direct ancestor. He was married to an Elizabeth Klingler, and they had 13 children, some of whom may also have been born in Kröppen. This family seems to have moved around quite a bit. And you have provided yet another place to look for Bernhard's ancestors, and possibly the Zimmers - Imsbach. This is really very helpful!

Hello,

I'm glad I was able to help.
My ancestors also came from Kröppen and went to Csátalja in Hungary.

I found nothing about Andres Groß - Elisabeth Klingler in Trulben or Walschbronn, maybe they are in Vinningen?
(Do you know the following link? You can find all the books there.
http://genealogie-in-pirmasens.de).


But in Trulben I found the brother of Bernhard Groß, named Bartholmäus. Apparently, he was "Schäfer, aus Münchweiler" and the son of "Gros Andreas and Koller (= Keller) Barbara".
He was married twice and had 11 children.
If your are interested, I would send you scans from the book via e-mail.

Greetings from Austria ;;;

[jonas]

Original von le_tisserand
My ancestors also came from Kröppen and went to Csátalja in Hungary.

I found nothing about Andres Groß - Elisabeth Klingler, maybe they are in Vinningen?
(Do you know the following link? http://genealogie-in-pirmasens.de).

But in Trulben I found the brother of Bernhard Groß, named Bartholmäus. Apparently, he was "Schäfer, aus Münchweiler" and the son of "Gros Andreas and Koller (= Keller) Barbara".
If your are interested, I would send you scans from the book via e-mail. ;;;

Hello again,

Thank you so much. Yes, I am quite interested and would very much like to see the pages. Maybe Bartholmäus stayed closer to home than his brother. (I'll have to google Münchweiler.)

I appreciate the link. I will have a look to see what they have on Vinningen, etc.

I found the following online: From Heimatbuch Batschsentiwan: Groß Bernhard Farmer, Langelsheim, Kr. Saargemünd, Lothringen, June 1765

I do not know where Langelsheim is yet, but it's another place to check for Andreas & Barbara Klingler/Keller/Koller.

(My ancestors eventually made their way to Doroslo & Sonta.)

Best wishes,