Mathys de La Chaux-de-Fonds NE

[rmvanderspek]

DEUTSCH

Hallo,

Ich war geboren und angehoben in die Niederlande, aber meine Mutter kommt aus dem Vereinigten Königreich. Nachdem eine lange Zeit habe ich herausgefunden, dass ihre Vorfahren aus der Schweiz kommen und in das Vereinigte Königreich nach dem ersten Weltkrieg ausgewandert sind. Ihr Großvater war in Chaux-de-Fonds Ne geboren, aber sein Vater, Jean Jules Mathys, war im Saint-Imier BE (Sankt Immer) auf dem 19. von Januar 1862 geboren. Er heiratete in 1891 mit Lucie Jean-Mairet im Chaux-de-Fonds.

Meine Frage ist, wenn jemand mir helfen kann, die (Gross) Eltern von Jean Jules Mathys zu finden.

Freundlicher Respekt,

Robert


ENGLISH

Hello,

I was born and raised in The Netherlands, but my mother comes from the United Kingdom. After a long time I have found out that her ancestors come from Switzerland and have emigrated to the United Kingdom after the first World War. Her grandfather was born in Chaux-de-Fonds NE, but his father, Jean Jules Mathys, was born in Saint-Imier BE (Sankt Immer) on the 19th of January 1862. He got married in 1891, with a woman called Lucie Jean-Mairet in Chaux-de-Fonds.

My question is if someone can help me find the (grand) parents of Jean Jules Mathys.

Kind regards,

Robert


NEDERLANDS

Hallo,

Ik ben in Nederland geboren en getogen, maar mijn moeder komt uit Engeland. Na lange tijd ben ik erachter gekomen dat haar voorouders uit Zwitserland zijn geëmigreerd naar Engeland. Haar grootvader is geboren in Chaux-de-Fonds NE, maar zijn vader, Jean Jules Mathys, is geboren in Saint-Imier BE (Sankt Immer) op 19 januari 1862. Hij trouwde in 1891 met Lucie Jean-Mairet in Chaux-de-Fonds NE.

Mijn vraag is of iemand mij kan helpen de (groot)-ouders van Jean Jules Mathys te vinden.

Met vriendelijke groet,

Robert

[Wolf]

Neither La Chaux-de-Fonds nor Saint-Imier is listed as old (pre 1800) place of citizenship for Mathys in Familiennamenbuch - but in 1887 someone from Bleienbach BE gained citizenship of La Chaux-de-Fonds - might just be your line.

Recommendation: contact the Civil Registry Office in Le Locle and ask about the wedding 1891 - this should give you the place of citizenship of both partners.

[rmvanderspek]

Thank you for the recommendation, I will try it.

It is strange that there is no one listed in Saint-Imier. My mother had contacted the 'Officier de l'état civil
Etat civil des Montagnes neuchâteloises' and asked for any Mathys in Neuchatel. They replied with some great results (I will attached it to this message). It is clear in that Jean Jules Mathys was born in Saint-Imier. Could this be false information? Or might the surname have changed?

Last question: can I acces they familienbuch online?

Cheers,

Robert

[Wolf]

There is no contradiction - just read http://kunden.eye.ch/swissgen/CH-burger-e.html for the difference between place of birth (or living) and place of citizenship.

You will find some further explanations - and Familienanmenbuch on http://www.lexhist.ch/famn/index.php

[rmvanderspek]

Ah, it took me some time to understand. The Swiss have made it quite complicated

Just to see if I do understand: So Jean Jules Mathys was born in St Imier, but this is nog where he was recorded. This would have been somewhere else: his home community (somewhere he might never have been)?

So I need to find out what his home community was...

[Wolf]

Original von rmvanderspek
The Swiss have made it quite complicated

On the contrary: you will find information on a family over generations at the same office - irrespective of where the family actually moved around - even including abroad (as long as they kept their Swiss citizenship, and reported all events, which they should have done).

Original von rmvanderspek
So I need to find out what his home community was...

The office in le Locle will know - I am surprised it was not stated: the only acceptable explanation for that would be that the Mathys were indeed citizens of St-Imier (then it would often not be mentioned) - which in turn would indicate the line became extinct (as Swiss citizens) before 1935 (as not mentioned in Familiennamenbuch).

[rmvanderspek]

Original von Wolf
The office in le Locle will know

I have sent them an e-mail yesterday. I will post here once I've had a reply.

Cheers and thanks for your answers until now,

Robert

[rmvanderspek]

I have had the following reaction:

Comme il est mentionné sur les documents annexé la commune d’origine et La Chaux-de-Fonds.

Which I translate as:

As is mentioned in the added documents, the city of origin is La Chaux-de-Fonds.

Is it possible that he had moved to La Chaux-de-Fonds and made that his home community? In which case he might have come from Bleienbach BE, as a Mathys is recorded in the familiennamenbuch from 1887 (4 years prior to his marriage).

Is there anyone who can confirm this?

[alleluia2]

Pour la Chaux-de-Fonds voir l'autre message, pour la réponse.

Pierre

[rmvanderspek]

@Wolf -> sorry I opened a second thread. I did not know how to move this one (as it seemed to be in the wrong location)

Original von alleluia2
Hello,
Il me semble qu'il faut attaquer le sujet d'abord du côté Bernois (Saint-Imier), car c'est tout ce qui est quantifiable par des dates de naissance et des prémoms de ces Mathys. Car pour La Chaux-de-Fonds ce n'est que des on dit sans rien de sûr.

De plus les données que vous avez de votre famille sont encore sous la protection des données des citoyens et pour les généalogistes ne sont pas consultables! (120 ans).

Pour La Chaux-de-Fonds quand vous aurez un prénom pour le père Jean-Jules Mathys, on pourra chercher et deuxièmement des Mathys il y a plusieurs races de bourgeoisies différentes et en plus vous avez encore la possibilité de citoyens n'ayant que le statut d'habitant et dont l'origine n'est pas mentionnée dans le répertoire des noms de famille suisse dans l'exemple qui vous concerne La Chaux-de-Fonds.

Pierre

Thanks for your reaction Pierre. As you found another post of mine (from some time ago), you can see how long I've been trying to get some more information on my Mathys forefathers. Fortunately we can now be sure that Georges Mathys did come from La Chaux-de-Fonds and that he was actually born there. So a little piece of the puzzle (after long waiting).

Now the problem is off course Jean Jules Mathys.

I am afraid I do not fully understand your last message. I do not have a name of the father of Jean Jules, so that is no option. I understand there are different branches of Mathys in the area La Chaux-de-Fonds coming from two towns in Bern (very close to each other, so I wouldn't be surprised if they were related). It is this bit I don't understand:

plus vous avez encore la possibilité de citoyens n'ayant que le statut d'habitant et dont l'origine n'est pas mentionnée dans le répertoire des noms de famille suisse dans l'exemple qui vous concerne La Chaux-de-Fonds.

Could you please explain this in different words?

I think the key might be to find out who the person was who came to La Chaux-de-Fonds in 1887. I have the feeling this might have been Jean Jules (as he married in La Chaux-de-Fonds 4 years later). If this is so, this would be a break-through, as we would than know where his home town is located.

Cheers,

Robert

[alleluia2]

C' est tout simple : si vous habitez en Suisse par exemple vous pouvez être HABITANT et garder votre nationalité ou devenir suisse et obtenir une bourgeoisie par rapport à la commune qui vous a donné l' agrégation.



De ce fait en comparant à La Chaux-de-Fonds, dans cette Chaux-de-Fonds vous pouvez avoir des citoyens ayant deux statuts différents, des bourgeois et des non-bourgeois uniquement HABITANT.

Ces HABITANTS ne figureront point dans le livre appelé REPETOIRE DES NOMS DE FAMILLE SUISSES = Familiennamenbuch_ __ que Herr Dr. WOLF a déjä cité.

Pierre

[rmvanderspek]

Thank you. I understand.

However, I am still wondering how to move forward. Is there any way to find out which Mathys obtained citizenship in Chaux-de-Fonds (in 1887)? And if this is not Jean Jules (as I am guessing), how do I find out what his hometown was?

[alleluia2]

Voici les parents de Lucie:
Tiré de la Base de donnée de Paul Favre * http://www.sngenealogie.ch/portail/inde ... &Itemid=80





http://i34.servimg.com/u/f34/13/04/86/73/parent10.jpg


Pierre

[rmvanderspek]

Wow, merci .

Not only additional information, but also a confirmation of her name and date of birth. Very helpful, cheers!

[alleluia2]

Voici plus complet l'arborecence de Lucie par rapport à ma généalogie :



http://gw0.geneanet.org/index.php3?b=dg ... arriage=on

cliquer sur annuler dans la petite fenêtre

puis sur accès ami menu de gauche.

deuxième lien directement sur Lucie

http://gw0.geneanet.org/index.php3?b=dg ... jeanmairet

cliquer sur annuler dans la petite fenêtre

puis sur accès ami menu de gauche.

Pierre

[rmvanderspek]

Sorry for the late reaction. Can't get online regularly at the moment.

Anyway, I'm not sure where to click in the sites you posted. I clicked on 'cancel'/annuler, but after that I'm not sure where to click. Hope you can give me another hint.

Cheers,

Robert

[alleluia2]

Voir le fichier Menu Geneanet.jpg

Pierre

[alleluia2]

Lucie Jeanmairet en Héraldique



Pierre

[rmvanderspek]

Ah, superb! Is this your website?