von Rotz von Kerns OW

[Christa]

Hallo,

mein Name ist Christina Beeking, und ich suche Information über meine Urgrosseltern.

Laut meinen Informationen heißt mein Ururgroßvater Casper Jozeph von Rotz und ist geboren ungefähr 1798/1799 in Unterwalden. Der Name von seinem Vater ist Joseph von Rotz und seine Mutter heißt Maria Josepha KOHLER. 1829 haben sie in Holland gewohnt im Ort Gorinchem.

Wer kann mir helfen zu suchen oder kann mir Information geben, wo ich am besten Information bekommen kann?

Mit freundlichen gruessen,
Christina Beeking
- Editiert von Wolf am 25.03.2006, 21:19 -

[Berna65]

Hallo Christina

frag direkt mal beim Staatsarchiv Nidwalden nach. Dort wird Dir bestimmt geholfen.

Schöne Grüsse aus der Schweiz

Bernadette
(Anm.: Die Frage war zuerst unter Nidwalden plaziert)
- Editiert von Wolf am 25.03.2006, 21:22 -

[Wolf]

Laut Familiennamenbuch ist Kerns OW der einzige seit vor 1800 bestehende Bürgerort für von Rotz. Weitere Bürgerorte sind seit
1896 Alpnach OW
1946 Luzern LU
1955 Dübendorf ZH
1961 Riehen BS.
Alle diese Liniem stammen ursprünglich aus Kerns.

Laut der Bibliographie "von Moos" befindet in der SGFF-Bibliothek ein von Walter von Rotz und Julius Schnider angefertigter Stammbaum von Rotz - 400 Jahre in [und von] Kerns. Affoltern am Albis 1983 (1 Seite).

[Berna65]

Hallo zusammen

ich weiss nur, dass ein ehemaliger Archivar in NW mal etliche genealogischen Daten zusammengestellt hat. Falls die gesuchten sich darunter befinden, gibt das StA Auskunft darüber.

Mit freundlichen Grüssen

Bernadette

[Christa]

Original von Berna
Hallo zusammen

ich weiss nur, dass ein ehemaliger Archivar in NW mal etliche genealogischen Daten zusammengestellt hat. Falls die gesuchten sich darunter befinden, gibt das StA Auskunft darüber.

Mit freundlichen Grüssen

Bernadette

Hallo Bernadette en Wolf,

I am verry sorry, but to answer you in German, I have to wait for my daugther. I can not writhe in German. I thank you for the trouble you have taken to help me. Only, I am a beginner in genealogie, so I must take one stap at the time. I did not no that my Urgrosseltern(thank you Nico) came from Switserland, I was tould that he came from Germany. So, maby is the best stap for me to send a E-mail to Staatsarchiv ? and ask them if them can answer my question.
Iff you stil want to help me, even I writhe in English, I can read German when its not to compliceted. And I always can ask my daugther.

Schöne grusse aus Holland

Christina

[Wolf]

Hallo Christina,

English is fine - we are trying to be multilingual on this forum, whenever necessary with some translations for specific threads.

Now for your questions. I don't know whether von Rotz also are German families - it might well be that Swiss von Rotz just moved to Holland via Germany - after all, without aeroplanes at that time you couldn't travel from Switzerland to Holland without crossing at least one more country.

A comment on Berna's response: Berna wrote her response when your query was placed in the Nidwalden (NW) forum - whilst von Rotz is an Obwalden (OW) family. I have therefore shifted it to the correct forum.
Now I cannot say from Berna's note whether this person at the NW State Archive has collected information on NW families in general, which would be available at the NW archive (but would not include von Rotz), or (because of personal interest in the family) on von Rotz of Kerns OW. We'll have to wait for Berna to clarify this.

What I can say (see my above posting) is that all Swiss von Rotz are citizens of Kerns OW, or at least originate from there. The "Stammbaum" mentioned by von Moos should therefore include your ancestors - IF these were actually Swiss and not a completely separate line in Germany.

What next?
1. It would be nice if someone could check the Stammbaum in the SGFF library; I'll ask on the SGFF mailing list, whether anyone visits the library anyway and could have a look.
2. If Berna confirms that this person in the NW State Archive has actually collected info on von Rotz, you should certainly e-mail the archive.

[Christa]

Original von Wolf
Hallo Christina,

English is fine - we are trying to be multilingual on this forum, whenever necessary with some translations for specific threads.
[...]

Hallo Wolf,

Thank you so far, I hope that somthing can be found.

Christina
- Editiert von Wolf am 26.03.2006, 19:54 -

[Christa]

Hallo Wolf,

Bruno could not find Casper or Joseph von Rotz in the familytree he has. So, I am going to ask the state archive if the can/will help me. I thank you so far, and when I find someting, I let you no. When you need help to surch in Holland, let me no. I will do my best to help you then.

Kind regards,
Beste grüssen,
Hartelijke groeten,

Christina

[Christa]

Hallo,

I send a E-mail to the staatarchiv, but I did not get an answer. Then I tried the churches, the did not answer or could not help me. I also send a E-mail to a Josef von Rotz in Kerns, just to see iff he no something, he did not answer as well. So, now I don't no what to do, are there suggestions for me in the Forum.

Christina

[Eddie]

Christina,

it appears to me that you are a bit in a hurry. Archives and parishes are generally understaffed and have a lot of things to do.
Then there was the Easter period and a lot of people on vacation. Family research is not on their priority list so that quite some patience is required from us as genealogists. I would suggest that you give them some more time and then go back to them very nicely and politely. If you have not written to them in German things may be difficult since they may not be fluent in English and your request will be put right at the bottom of the pile. Anyhow try to be comprehensive.
If I can be of help in passing on your requests in an appropriate manner please let me know and I shall try and help.

Best regards

Eddie

Original von Johanna
Hallo,

I send a E-mail to the staatarchiv, but I did not get an answer. Then I tried the churches, the did not answer or could not help me. I also send a E-mail to a Josef von Rotz in Kerns, just to see iff he no something, he did not answer as well. So, now I don't no what to do, are there suggestions for me in the Forum.

Christina

[Christa]

Hallo Eddie,

I understand that the archives have more to do, the only thing is: I do not understand, that the did not answer at all, like whe recieved your question and whe will help you in time. I am a very patience, please do not get me wrong.I am very happy whit all the help I can get, specialy from people I do not know. So I am sorry if you all get the wrong impression.

Thanks for your answer,
Christina

[Christa]

Hello all,

I dit get a answer from the staatsarchiv en the churches, the did their best, but could not help me. I send some E-mails to von Rots familys in Kerns, the had some information, but it was the falsche linie. So my question is: Are there any suggestions where to look or ask now.

Christina

[Thomy]

In the Canton of Obwalden every village has so called Stammbücher, where all families are registered. You should ask at the Administration of Kerns if they can find something.

The adress and phonenumber:

Gemeindeverwaltung Kerns
Sarnerstrasse 5
CH-6064 Kerns
Telefon ++41 41 666 31 31

Kind regards and good luck!
Thomas Gmür

[Kraehe]

Hallo Christina, you are really too much in a hurry, as it appears to me. It is more than likely that your great-grandfather belonged to the Swiss Regiment in Gorinchem, which existed till 1829. Copies of the Stamboeken (Kompanieroedel) are in the Centraal Bureau voor Genealogie in The Hague (Den Haag) and are rather easy to study. Furthermore I also wonder whether you studied the Huwelijksbijlagen (additonal documents to the marriage inscription) in the Gemeentearchief Gorinchem or the Rijksarchief in Zuid-Holland. These sources will give you the best possible information, most likely including a certificate of baptism or birth.

I wish you succes. I think you already have substantial information. It is clearly mentioned that your great-grandfather was BAPTIZED or BORN in Unterwalden.

With kind regards,

Bernard Krijbolder

P.S. I wrote in english, because it is a language of this forum.

[enz]

My 3rd great grandfather, Joseph von Rotz was born in 1807 at Kerns - died in 1878 at Sarnen. He married Maria Josefa Fanger. Their daughter and my 2nd great grandmother, Chistina Barbara von Rotz was born in 1851 at Sarnen. She married Franz Peter Enz who was born at Giswil in 1858. My grandfather, Emil Eduard Enz was born in Giswil in 1881.

If anyone can help me extend this line I would be very appreciative.

[enz]

I have a von Rotz family - starting with my great grandmother Christina Barbara von Rotz, born in Sarnen in 1851, Her father was Joseph (b. 1807) mother was Maria Josepha FANGER. The father of Joseph von Rotz was Nicolaus von Rotz (b. 1761) at Kerns, wife Franziska Maria BURCH.

Any help available for me to learn more about this family would be deeply appreciated!

[Christa]

Good afternoon, in 2006 I posted the question down below.

Post of Thu 23. Mar 2006, 19:21

Hallo,

mein Name ist Christina Beeking, und ich suche Information über meine Urgrosseltern.

Laut meinen Informationen heißt mein Ururgroßvater Casper Jozeph von Rotz und ist geboren ungefähr 1798/1799 in Unterwalden. Der Name von seinem Vater ist Joseph von Rotz und seine Mutter heißt Maria Josepha KOHLER. 1829 haben sie in Holland gewohnt im Ort Gorinchem.

Wer kann mir helfen zu suchen oder kann mir Information geben, wo ich am besten Information bekommen kann?
========================================================================== ========
I am happy to let you know that I did find Casper Joseph von Rotz

Now I am looking for more information about his ancestors in Switserland, I know the name of his father and mother Jos(z)eph von Rotz and Maria Josepha Köhler. I have surch all te websites, Familysearch, my Heritage, geneanet, genealogie online, whoiswho, and so on.

I had contact with the staatsarchive in Sarnen but the can not help me because there is no digital information.

I would like to ask, could someone help me with this search ?

In 2006 it was Allright to write in English, I hope this still is, because my German and France are not efficient enough to write all off this.

if i'm not clear enough please let me know, kind regards

[Christa]

Good afternoon, in 2006 I posted the question down below.

Post of Thu 23. Mar 2006, 19:21

Hallo,

mein Name ist Christina Beeking, und ich suche Information über meine Urgrosseltern.

Laut meinen Informationen heißt mein Ururgroßvater Casper Jozeph von Rotz und ist geboren ungefähr 1798/1799 in Unterwalden. Der Name von seinem Vater ist Joseph von Rotz und seine Mutter heißt Maria Josepha KOHLER. 1829 haben sie in Holland gewohnt im Ort Gorinchem.

Wer kann mir helfen zu suchen oder kann mir Information geben, wo ich am besten Information bekommen kann?
========================================================================== ========
I am happy to let you know that I did find Casper Joseph von Rotz, he was born 12-04-1799 in Sarnen according to his birth certificate and registration in South Holland.

Now I am looking for more information about his ancestors in Switserland, I know the name of his father and mother Jos(z)eph von Rotz and Maria Josepha Köhler. I have surch all te websites, Familysearch, my Heritage, geneanet, genealogie online, whoiswho, and so on.

I had contact with the staatsarchive in Sarnen but the can not help me because there is no digital information.

I would like to ask, could someone help me with this search ?

In 2006 it was Allright to write in English, I hope this still is, because my German and France are not efficient enough to write all off this.

if i'm not clear enough please let me know, kind regards