Schilter in Switzerland

[yapper]

I have been searching for my ANDERMANN born in Switzerland for over 20 years now
Ydna testing was conducted by his male descendants living in Louisiana about 10 years ago
Of course, they all were matches (Haplogroup RM269) to each other (37 markers) since they are cousins

However, thru the years, only other males with 12/25 markers have been identified but no close matches with one exception:

M SCHILTER from Switzerland (listed as user 289102)
Haplogroup RZ192
37 marker match
Attempted to contact him several times but no response

Anyone recognize or researching SCHILTER surname that may be able to provide further insight or assistance?

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orig. title: M Schilter from Switzerland

[Wolf]

Just to make sure I understand your question correctly: you have been searching for Andermann from Alsace Lorraine for many years. During this research you have assumed your ancestor may instead be from Switzerland - and there was already a response that this name doesn't show up in the Register of Swiss Surnames - which doesn't exclude the possibility that centuries ago families with this name lived in Switzerland (just makes research more difficult).

Based on a DNA match you now consider a relationship to a M. Schilter a possibility. This M.Schilter is a person living now - the submitter of a DNA test - correct?

If you check the Register of Swiss Surnames you'll see that Schilter have been citizens (since before 1800) in cantons Schwyz and Uri. This wouldn't be near the border of France/Germany (which you assumed) … but then we don't know how M. Schilter could be related to Andermann.

[yapper]

Tracking down the origin of my elusive Antoine Andermann has been a roller coaster ride of hits + misses due to the fact that there are mixed references to France, Germany, and Switzerland:

1835 the oldest record that I have for him is his marriage in New Orleans, Louisiana
1850 Louisiana census states that he was from Germany
1858 French newspaper of his death in Louisiana states that he was born in Switzerland
1926 death certificate of his Son Ernest lists his birthplace as Alsace Lorraine
1932 death certificate of his daughter Emma lists his birthplace as France

Yes, Schilter is someone who has participated in Ydna testing & I am trying to connect with him to determine if/how he may be related to my Andermann ancestor as well as hoping to locate a living relative in Europe / outside of United States

thanks for Swiss registry information,
Laurie

[hhg]

sorry, but to me it's also roller coaster to follow your posts: Fun, but when one gets a dizzy head, good to get feet on ground again.

Presuming you can trace your ancestry back to the 1835 marriage in New Orleans, this seems the starting point to meditate about traces further back.

The 1808 birth record was obviously a dead end, as griffy found solid hints the surname was Studenmann, not Andermann. Did you check the link he named (https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/pe ... s/M3N4-MWM)? I'm no very confident about such infos myself, but at least it's a lead that could be followed.

Birth data 1 August 1812 Weigelsdorf, Reichenbach, Breslau, Schlesien, Preußen, Deutschland would match the age of Francois given in America. It would also fit for the "first" info about being born in Germany. Highly speculativ, but maiden name Nachtigall of his mother might indicate she was Jewish, and there evidently was Jewish migration from Germany to France in that time.

Last not least, the FamilySearch pedigree also has names of people that worked about it. Would make more sense to me, to try to come in touch with them, instead of hunting for a living Schilter in Switzerland.

Good luck anyway!

[yapper]

I have tried to follow the Prussia lead as well but the difficulty is that his marriage record does not list Antoine's parents so even if I do locate a potential birth record then I cannot validate that it is actually him. His birth date itself is a 10 year span estimated on his age at his death based upon church burial record and death article in local newspaper.

Also, another dilemma is that I have not been able to locate an immigration record specific to him

I was hoping that DNA results would be another lead but again it was a dead end instead

All I can do is try various paths to knock down the brick wall & have kept trying all angles leaving no stone unturned

Thanks for everyone's patience & guidance,
Laurie

[hhg]

your dilemma reminds me of my own. Poor progress I made came from setting any jigsaw-puzzle pieces, with the idea that those that fit elsewhere could be excluded to be part of the image in focus. Best case, to have someone digging in the same corner, to exchange with.

So without better, I would try to contact the folks that posted the FamilySearch pedigree, to hear what made them suggest the Weigelsdorf family as ancesters of Francois. Or check the said churchbooks myself, to see if the Andermanns continued to live there, and hope for unexpected extra infos which might allow to either support, or drop the possibility of any connections to your branch.

Good luck again!

[yapper]

Historically, the territory of Alsace Lorraine has switched between France & Germany
Also, my understanding is that the town of Mulhouse was at one time part of the Swiss confederation
Currently, the town of Mulhouse in Haut-Rhin, Alsace is part of France near the border of Germany & Switzerland
Mulhouse also imported cotton from Louisiana for textile production & had links to the Levant
At one time, Andermann Ydna test results of R1b subclade RM269 flagged potential Levant origins

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulhouse

Extracted verbiage from website
"The town's development was stimulated first by the expansion of the textile industry and tanning, and subsequently by chemical and Engineering industries from the mid 18th century. Mulhouse was for a long time called the French Manchester. Consequently, the town has enduring links with Louisiana, from which it imported cotton, and also with the Levant. The town's history also explains why its centre is relatively small."

Perhaps, just a coincidence or maybe another clue to solving my ancestor's puzzle? Thoughts?

[yapper]

Ok, here's another possibility - since Antoine may have been born in Switzerland about 1803, could he have been born at the time when it was considered Helvetic republic & could what appears to be H monogram on the borders of family heirloom stand for Helvetic??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helvetic_Republic

Extracted from website:
The Helvetic Republic (République helvétique (French); Helvetische Republik (German)) was a sister republic of France that existed between 1798 and 1803, during the French Revolutionary Wars. It was created following the French invasion and the consequent dissolution of the Old Swiss Confederacy, marking the end of the ancien régime in Switzerland.

Throughout the years, a cherished tapestry has passed from generation to generation. My mother would display the family bible onto this fabric runner (approx 35 x 15 in size) during special occasions or religious holidays. The textile or woven fabric has what appears to be a monogram on its borders (perhaps H for Helvetic??) & an 8 pointed star motif on its corners. Unfortunately, I have been unable to identify its origin or symbolism.

I know its a stretch but got to consider all options at this point

[MarkMu]

Tracking down the origin of my elusive Antoine Andermann has been a roller coaster ride of hits + misses due to the fact that there are mixed references to France, Germany, and Switzerland:

1835 the oldest record that I have for him is his marriage in New Orleans, Louisiana
1850 Louisiana census states that he was from Germany
1858 French newspaper of his death in Louisiana states that he was born in Switzerland
1926 death certificate of his Son Ernest lists his birthplace as Alsace Lorraine
1932 death certificate of his daughter Emma lists his birthplace as France

Yes, Schilter is someone who has participated in Ydna testing & I am trying to connect with him to determine if/how he may be related to my Andermann ancestor as well as hoping to locate a living relative in Europe / outside of United States

thanks for Swiss registry information,
Laurie

just a hint. As I have found out from my own experience, many Swiss appear to have themselves listed as Germans in census records as well as ship records. I have no idea why that is so. The Schilter name is most prominent in central Switzerland. I have quite a few of them in my database. But myself, I am not related to them. Did you write in english or German to this M. Schilter? he may not understand English......

[yapper]

Good points - I'll revisit in German

[yapper]

Came across a town called aEdermannsdorf in Solothurn canton near the border of France

Could this be an alternate spelling for aNdermann??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aedermannsdorf

Aedermannsdorf is a municipality in the district of Thal in the canton of Solothurn in Switzerland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canton_of_Solothurn

The territory of the canton comprises land acquired by the former town, mainly in the Middle Ages. For that reason the shape of the canton is irregular and includes two exclaves along the French border, separated from the rest of the canton by Basel-Land, which form separate districts of the canton. In 1481, the canton became a member of the military alliance of the former Swiss confederation. At the end of the Reformation, Solothurn maintained its Catholic religion. Between 1798 and 1803 the canton was part of the Helvetic Republic. In 1803 Solothurn was one of the 19 Swiss cantons that were reconstituted by Napoleon (Mediation).

There is also a reference to textiles
The industries of the canton are specialized in watches, jewellery, textiles, paper, cement and auto parts.

Thoughts?